Why Get One Degree If You Could Get Two?
Kevin Sakal Ith discusses what brought him to Columbia after years in the Bay Area and a stint in Azerbaijan.
Kevin Sakal Ith generally begins his day near Columbia’s Morningside campus, where he lives, before heading up to Washington Heights for classes at the Mailman School of Public Health. (His top Uptown food tip: Check out the Dominican fare at Malecon on Broadway.) When not in class, he spends some of his spare moments guiding students at the Columbia School of Social Work, where he is also a student, through the process of applying to dual degree programs. Ith will graduate with both a master’s in public health and a master’s in social work in spring 2026. Columbia News spoke with Ith about life as a dual-degree student, and what he hopes to do next.
You're pursuing a Master’s in Public Health and a Master’s in Social Work at the same time. Was that always the plan?
I enrolled in Columbia University’s School of Social Work online program as a part-time student in the fall of 2022. I enjoyed my online experience and coursework, with Social Welfare Policy, taught by Ellen Rodina, being my favorite class. After one class, I spoke with Ellen about potential careers in policy. During our discussion, I shared why I hadn’t pursued a career in politics or law, despite studying government as an undergraduate. I didn’t feel as though I belonged in those fields—there didn’t seem to be a seat at the table for someone like me: first-generation, LGBTQ, and a person of color. I distinctly remember her response: "Why not you?”
Initially, it was never my plan to become a dual-degree graduate student—I only applied to the Mailman School of Public Health because I knew I wanted to stay at the School of Social Work. While being a dual-degree student has its ups and downs, I’m proud of this journey I am embarking on. After graduation, I can call myself a social worker and a public health professional—an uncommon and deeply rewarding combination.
How do you hope to use these degrees?
This semester, I began working on a project that is deeply connected to my personal journey. I am four years sober. I spent Christmas 2020 in a psychiatric ward, followed by four months in treatment for drugs and alcohol. Drawing from this experience, I started developing a web and mobile application designed to connect sober concertgoers with others who are sober, providing support to help those struggling with addiction stay sober at live music events. Recently, I placed third out of twenty-five teams at the Healthcare Ventures Fast-Pitch Competition, earning a cash prize that allowed me to hire a small team—a software engineer and a product designer. I’m aiming to launch the product in early 2025.
You did a Fulbright in Azerbaijan. What drove your interest in studying there? Do you connect that interest to your current work?
I applied for a Fulbright to Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic, after taking a Russian Empire course during my undergraduate studies. I became captivated by Azerbaijan's rich history and vibrant culture. When I was awarded the grant, I knew it would be a life-changing opportunity—and it truly was. During my time in Azerbaijan, I collaborated with the U.S. Embassy in Baku, the capital city, traveled extensively across the Middle East and Eastern Europe, and met fascinating individuals I would never have encountered otherwise.
This experience left an indelible mark on me. It taught me to connect with people from diverse backgrounds, navigate differences in political perspectives while building meaningful relationships, and focus on bonds that unite rather than divide. It also deepened my love for America and strengthened my commitment to contributing to its greatness in any way I can.
Do you have any tips for students who arrive at Columbia, on something to definitely do or something to avoid?
If you're coming to Columbia to study, my best advice is to explore every opportunity available to you. As a student of social work and public health, I took courses at both SIPA and the Journalism School, and each experience enriched my time here. Nothing meaningful was handed to me—I worked hard for scholarships, internships, and fellowships, applying tirelessly and embracing both successes and setbacks.
A mentor once told me, "It's not your turn today," which reminded me that while opportunities may come and go, perseverance is key. If one door closes, open another—or step outside and find an entirely new path.
You lived in the Bay Area for a number of years. Which city has the better food?
I love Asian cuisine, and in my opinion, the Chinese food in San Francisco outshines New York’s. If you’re ever in SF, make sure to visit San Tung in the Sunset District—you have to try their glazed chicken wings. That said, Wu’s Wonton King in New York City’s Chinatown is a close second. The portions are generous, and you’ll leave feeling full and ready for a nap!